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Hydrogen just took a real step forward in steel. Utility Global and ArcelorMittal Brazil are collaborating on a first-of-its-kind commercial project at the Juiz de Fora plant: taking blast-furnace gas straight into Utility’s H2Gen reactor to produce hydrogen and concentrate CO₂—inside an existing steelmaking footprint.
In this episode, host Paul Rodden talks with Parker Meeks, President & CEO of Utility Global, about:
Why steel is so hard to decarbonize—and why retrofits matter
How H2Gen handles variable, dilute blast-furnace gas and still delivers H₂
The jump from ~18% CO₂ in off-gas to ~70% CO₂ at a single capture point
Modular scaling from 3–15 tpd to 60–250+ tpd
Economics (targeting sub-$3/kg H₂ at scale), supply chains, and policy risk
What this milestone signals for heavy industry and global hydrogen markets
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👤 Guest: Parker Meeks, Utility Global (previously led major energy-transition efforts across industry).
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Paul Rodden (Host): Welcome back to the Hydrogen Podcast where we break down the key financial, economic, and strategic stories shaping the global hydrogen market. I’m your host, Paul Rodden, and today, we’re diving into a major international collaboration that’s pushing the boundaries of industrial decarbonization. Utility Global, a company that’s been steadily building momentum in the clean hydrogen space, has just announced a significant partnership with ArcelorMittal Brazil, one of the largest steel producers in Latin America. Joining me to discuss this development and more is Parker Meeks, president and CEO of Utility Global. Parker brings more than two decades of executive experience spanning traditional energy, energy transition, infrastructure, and advanced manufacturing.
Paul Rodden (Host): From his time as CEO at Haison Motors to leadership roles at TRC and McKinsey and Company, Parker has helped shape the trajectory of energy innovation across the globe. Parker, welcome to the show.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Paul, great to see you. Thanks for having me on again. Really excited to talk about utility, where we’re at, and where we’re going.
Paul Rodden (Host): So glad you’re back. So let’s let’s start with the big news. Utility Global and ArcelorMittal Brazil just announced a collaboration on an innovative clean hydrogen project. Can you walk us through the core goals of this partnership and what makes it unique in today’s hydrogen market?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Glad to, Paul.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Look. First, I I just wanna say this is a a critical moment for us at Utility. You know, the company has been, for years, driving our technology forward, really derisking the technology, driving demonstration. Still is a market that we’ve been focused on because of how difficult it is to decarbonize steel plants. You know, for those that are not aware, in steel, 70% of global steel production comes from a blast furnace.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Blast furnace is one of the most carbon intensive industrial processes on the planet, and we need blast furnaces. You know? Because of the high concentration of of production that comes from from the blast furnace, we can’t just turn blast furnaces off. Other methods of bringing carbon out of steel, we’re talking about things like reducing iron with hydrogen and even electric furnaces either are very difficult to do in different parts of the world because of a lack of the things you need to do those things well. Like in EAS, you know, you need scrap metal available.
Parker Meeks (Guest): You need electricity available to melt that scrap. And the cost of low carbon hydrogen generally for DRIs has been prohibited. In fact, you see many steel companies who are turning down, I’ll call it, you know, traditional green or renewable power fed electrolysis, we’re turning down significant subsidies because the numbers still don’t work for them. So the company has been very focused on finding the commercialization path in steel that makes sense to the customer on the back of a few years of demonstrating technology, including a pilot in steel in Canada that we ran between ’23 and the ’24. So our servital, we’re very fortunate to have as an investor in the company and now a partner in collaborating in our first commercial project.
Parker Meeks (Guest): So this project in Brazil is going to be taking blast furnace gas directly into our reactor and producing hydrogen and concentrating c o two at the Juiz De Fora plant in Brazil. It’s a critical project for us as our first commercial project in steel, for a few reasons. First of all, it’s with a great partner. ArcelorMittal has been piloting technologies around the globe, trying to find different pathways to economically bring, lower carbon to their steelmaking. You know, this operation in Brazil is a plant that’s already relatively low carbon.
Parker Meeks (Guest): It’s a plant where they use biogenic char charcoal as a main feed for the plant. And, Additionally, we’ve taken other steps to optimize. We’re fortunate to have a flare available to us. So we’re taking essentially flare gas and converting that to hydrogen and essentially proving that the that the technology works in a real plant within our solar portfolio. And, additionally, you know, showing the steel industry that, you know, major global steel players are ready to move forward to truly test our technology at commercial scale.
Paul Rodden (Host): And I love to hear that you’re using flare gas for that. I mean, that’s a completely wasted product that this is a great use case for it.
Parker Meeks (Guest): It is. And and it just adds to a very low carbon footprint already at that plant, which we’re very excited to be a part of. And and in steel, that’s a pretty unique thing. Right? Steel plants similar to refineries and chemical plants have been optimized over over time. If you walk into most industrial scale steel plants, you won’t won’t find a flare or you’ll find a flare that’s not on all the time.
Paul Rodden (Host): Mhmm.
Parker Meeks (Guest): So we have to show capability at scale at, you know, 60, a hundred, two hundred fifty tons a day of hydrogen, which a typical blast furnace, world class scale, could produce up to 300 tons per day of hydrogen if they gave us all the gas that they could. And at that scale, obviously, you’re not gonna be using flare. So Right. You know, to get to this stage with a major steel company, you know, the steel industry course is going to be doing first step projects like this first one with our small metal at this call, it’s sort of, you know, three to 15 ton per day type scale with a vision to go bigger. Right? Right.
Paul Rodden (Host): Right.
Parker Meeks (Guest): We’re we’re doing all this together so we can scale and actually take all the carbon out potentially from a blast furnace at that significant, you know, 200 to 300 ton ton per day scale. And so, you know, through the process, we have to show that we can be economic. We can take the carbon out, produce hydrogen, give it back to them in a way that doesn’t change the cost of steel. We look forward to to proving that at at scale.
Paul Rodden (Host): Absolutely.
Paul Rodden (Host): So Utility Global’s proprietary h two gen reactor technology plays a key role in the project. And so for those less familiar, what sets this technology apart from other hydrogen production methods, especially in hard to abate sectors like steelmaking?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Yeah. So when you talk about hard to abate sectors like steelmaking, refining chemicals, and many others, typically, you know, to to help those industries transition and to get to decarbonization at scale, you need to to integrate into existing assets. Right?
Parker Meeks (Guest): When you look at one of the projects in those spaces, you’re talking about adding new capacity, new projects, new solar, new wind, new steel plant. Right? That’s very expensive, takes a lot of footprint, and it it ignores the fact that they need to run existing assets for sometimes, you know, up to fifty years to maximize the value from the assets. So it starts with, can you even integrate into existing assets or not? Many technologies can’t.
Parker Meeks (Guest): You know, we uniquely can’t. Now once you’re integrating into an existing asset like a blast furnace, this is a a challenging gas to work with, like many off gases are in refining chemicals. Right? There’s other other technologies which use living organisms to try and transform, which are fantastic in a in a lab environment, but you put them into a blast furnace environment, and those things are are are tough to deal with. Blast furnace gas can change the composition.
Parker Meeks (Guest): It can be intermittent in in its availability due to planned upsets or unplanned. And that’s the probably the biggest part of the proof that we’ve shown the industry. We demonstrated the technology in Canada, like I mentioned before, in, 2023 and 2024, three thousand hours of runtime, two thousand hours of h two production time, twelve hundred hour continuous run, and show not only can we take in blast furnace gas, produce hydrogen to concentrate c o two, but we can also do that and handle blast furnace gas just not showing up. Mhmm. Right?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Fifteen minutes notice, what are you gonna do? Other technologies either can’t deal with that at all or take hours to turn down and then come back up whenever the blast furnace gas comes back. We can turn down in fifteen to thirty minutes. Stay there as long as you’re, like, in hot standby. Come back up in fifteen to thirty minutes.
Parker Meeks (Guest): So you have to prove if you really wanna transform these industries and help maximize value to the industry in a lower carbon world, we believe starting with the existing asset base, taking the emissions that already exist, converting those emissions, helping to capture those emissions, and to create value in a way that doesn’t change the cost of their core product, in this case, steel. That is really the home run that that these companies are looking for, and we’ve shown that that that we can do that and integrate into the asset without affecting their operations, without affecting that that cost structure. The the other piece that is specific to steel but common in many hard to debate industries is the gas is not only hard to work with because of its composition, but it’s very dilute. So So we get the question all the time, why not just take a blast furnace, take that blast furnace gas, and just do c o two through carbon capture? Yeah.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Well, the answer is it’s not quite that easy. You know? In that in that gas, it’s very dilute. Typically, 18%, call it 15 to 20% c o two only in that gas when it starts. Additionally, because these plants, as I mentioned before, are relatively optimized already, there’s many points of emission around the plant.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Right? They’re using that bus furnace gas in many parts of the facility, routing it around to maximize its use, minimize the just vented or flared gas. Additionally, they’re they might be creating power. They might be creating, other forms of energy using LNG, using natural gas. So you have a very dilute gas with emission points all over the planet.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Yeah. And what we can offer them is a pathway to take that blast furnace gas, take potentially all the blast furnace gas at scale to convert it into hydrogen, give that h two back to them as fuel. Mhmm. Displace to displace coke, to displace natural gas, displace power, to allow them to have a single point of exit of that c o two concentration that’s up to 70% c o two. Yeah.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Went from 18% CO two to 70% CO two, which at that level of CO two concentration, you enable cryogen to capture much lower cost, lower footprint form of CO two capture. So in in short, you know, we operate really well, compete really well in environments where it’s heavy industry where you have dilute gases, you have dispersement of that gas with many emission points to come in, have a footprint that in some cases is a 100 times smaller than a competing green steel plant concept with a capital efficiency that can be five times more capital efficient for the same hydrogen production.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Yeah. Give them a single point of c o two capture at a much, much lower cost of end to end carbon capture at a way that doesn’t affect their operations.
Paul Rodden (Host): I think that’s critical is defining the economics right there. That’s that’s the big one. So steel is one of the most emissions intensive industries on the planet. You’ve touched on it. What does this project signal about the broader shift in industrial decarbonization, and what role do you see clean hydrogen playing in the future of steelmaking?
Parker Meeks (Guest): So what what I think you see is when you look at industrial decarbonization, six to nine months ago was a pretty interesting and and for many of us, concerning time. Right? With the changes in policy and direction that were appeared to be on the horizon both in The US and potentially parts of Europe, and the reaction of global players in different industries to a softening on the importance of decarbonization. Right? You look at US policy that was foreshadowed to to a change. You know, there was a real concern that industrial segments would just move on and say, look.
Parker Meeks (Guest): The pressure’s off. We can focus on our core processes, emissions, emissions controls may be less of a concern, and we see commitment. Right? We see customers in industries like steel who say, look. We need these industrial assets like blast furnaces to be around for decades to come.
Parker Meeks (Guest): When you look at the projections for steel, first of all, steel demand is growing. We need more steel. Yeah. And we want that steel to be lower carbon to fulfill that demand that’s growing. If you look at any credible projection for steel and the composition of the production methods To make that steel, blast furnaces aren’t declining.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Blast furnaces are growing. We are building, bringing online new blast furnaces in many parts of the world, replacing the old ones. And these blast furnaces have decades of life that they need to run to maximize the value. So what we see is similar trends in other industries where you have we we have customers that say, look. This is where we need to have happen while also taking out carbon, And we’re willing to do what we have to do to get ahead of that now because these are investments.
Parker Meeks (Guest): These are programs. We wanna test technology. We wanna drive it through our portfolio, and we see a real commitment longer term. Now look. How does hydrogen fit into that?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Right? What you see with hydrogen is because of the nature of hydrogen, how abundant it is, how you can extract it, you can enable it from many different methods, and how we’re now proving we can actually take the emissions that already exist in the plant, utilize those to provide the electrochemical potential we need to electrolyze water in the form of steam, you know, without the need for outside power and to give them back that hydrogen as fuel, they can use that fuel back in the blast furnace itself. They can use that fuel on-site to add other economic value in the place of other carbon emitting forms of fuel. And hydrogen is just so versatile in how it can be used given the relatively high energy content that you have. It is truly the Swiss army knife that we all talk about in, the space, and we’re proving it now in heavy industry.
Parker Meeks (Guest): So Yeah. To summarize, I see a commitment that we weren’t sure was gonna be there six to nine months ago from our customers. I see a real need of why why we have to find a way to decarbonize these assets and a unique opportunity for hydrogen to be that answer given the many different ways they can utilize that as an effectively a value added way to lower the cost of c o two capture.
Paul Rodden (Host): And you you you’ve talked about this a couple of times, and I brought it up. From an investment and economics perspective, how scalable is this approach across Oxalarmatals operations or even more broadly across the industrial sector? Are we looking at a replicable model here?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Yeah. So let me take steel as a overall segment and talk about scale. So you will see, assuming we are successful, additional project announcements in steel that are of a similar scale. Call it three to 15 tons per day as a first step.
Parker Meeks (Guest): And these are real commercial scale projects. These are real investments of time and resource to bring these projects to life, but these are the first step. Now what’s great is most of our customers in steel and other spaces similar to steel see the next step as big. Right? They say, look.
Parker Meeks (Guest): You guys have proven it already. In Canada and steel, we’re gonna step into this sort of first commercial scale of three to 15 tons per day, and then we’re gonna go 60, a hundred, two fifty tons per day after that. And our technology scales readily. It’s essentially the core of the technology is a three foot long one inch diameter ceramic tube. Right?
Parker Meeks (Guest): So think about your coffee cup. Of course, it’s a bit more technical than that. Yeah. But ceramic tube that has proprietary coatings outside outside of that tube that enable electrolysis through electrochemical potential and then allow us to have a gas tight layer where we have steam in the center of that of that tube, off gases around the outside, and we electrolyze the water on the inside while and we electrolyze the water on the inside while oxidizing carbon monoxide in this in the c o two on the outside. That basic reaction is happening over and over and over again.
Parker Meeks (Guest): So one of our projects like the ArcelorMittal project in Brazil, that’s a single reactor. Mhmm. Right? So single reactor, think 40 foot container in size, has hundreds of those tubes put into packs, and a number of those packs put into a reactor. Right?
Parker Meeks (Guest): That’s that’s the base building block. High highly, highly modular. To go from that Yeah. Call it three to five ton per day scale reactor to a 250 ton per day project, we just put more reactors in series, and we can stack those trains, we call them, called a five reactor in series train on top of one another up to four levels high. So you can get anywhere from a, you know, 30 to, you know, 150 ton per day block, and that’s how that’s how we scale.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Yeah. So what do you need to scale? You need a design that’s modular. You need an ability to, you know, have a compact footprint. You need materials that aren’t hard to find and scale.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Mhmm. And that’s a challenge. Other spaces like my my former space have a a PEM fuel cell where you’ve got things like pot as a key input to that. Yeah. We don’t have those materials challenges that you see in other scalable industries like batteries and potentially other other forms of fuel cells.
Parker Meeks (Guest): We don’t have any of what I call unobtanium type materials Yeah. In our proprietary design. We have no China supply chain today, which is important for a US based company. And because of the way that our module system works, you know, we’re very confident in the scalability of it.
Paul Rodden (Host): I’m a geographer by by trade and history. Why Brazil and why now? How what what what does this project tell us about the momentum for clean hydrogen adoption in Latin America and other emerging markets?
Parker Meeks (Guest): So it’s a great question. And Brazil is a tremendous place to have our first project for a few reasons. First, when you look at Brazil, people may not realize there’s been significant work done in industrial sectors to drive carbon out in order to try new technology.
Parker Meeks (Guest): And, again, the Juistofora plant for our sorbitol in Brazil where this first project is going to be is a plant that’s already done many programs to try and drive carbon out. Again, they have biogenic charcoal that they use. They’ve done other programs to recycle gases, and we are thrilled to be a part of taking the carbon footprint of that that plant to an an even better level. So it’s a market where you see industrial companies who have interest in driving and doing things for the environment. It’s a market where you have hydrogen demand.
Parker Meeks (Guest): You have hydrogen usage, so they understand how how it can be used. You have you have a market where various steel plants in the country have already started testing hydrogen usage in the blast furnace, seeing how the blast furnace performs in producing steel while using hydrogen as part of its fuel source. So it truly is a market that outside in without being in it, you may not realize how advanced it is in pushing in this direction and one that is really a a great thing for us to be a a part of. And we’re finding more markets like Brazil When you look at places like Japan and Korea and India, where you have the right economic environment for our technology to make sense, you have steel companies and other companies in biogas conversion to mobility that can provide us with with off gases that we can utilize to make hydrogen to concentrate c o two and where there’s a real, you know, interesting commitment to bring technology that can that that that can scale.
Paul Rodden (Host): You specifically, you’ve worked across some of the most transformative companies in energy and infrastructure. From your vantage point, how does this partnership fit into Utility Global’s long term strategic roadmap for technology commercialization and market expansion?
Parker Meeks (Guest): So this this product is is a critical first commercial step for us. You know, we we, again, demonstrated our technology over multiple iterations over the past few years from lab scale to multiple at scale demonstrations. But this is the first commercial project agreement customer driving a three ton per day scale project out. We have a number of these now that are close to signing that we look to hopefully announce relatively soon, both in steel and then additionally in biogas, whether that’s converting dairy gas, water, drinking gas, landfill gas to hydrogen for use in things like trucks and cars and buses and markets like California and South Korea.
Parker Meeks (Guest): You know, all these projects, what’s great about them, they use the same product, the same technology. It’s the same cells. It’s the same reactor. That same base reactor that’s going into ArcelorMittal in Brazil for a single reactor project. It’s the exact same reactor effectively that’s gonna go into a biogas mobility project in California or Korea.
Parker Meeks (Guest): So all of it adds to our scale. So when I see this project, it’s a critical first announcement and first project agreement. We’re very thankful for ArcelorMittal for being a partner to us on the project. And we look forward to this being the first of several we’re developing in parallel to drive learnings, to drive scaling as we look to the the much larger projects to to, come behind it.
Paul Rodden (Host): And so then looking out, like, five to ten years, what role do you see clean hydrogen playing in the global energy mix? And how is Utility Global positioning itself to lead that future?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Look. I think what you’re seeing now again, given that over the past six to nine months, we’ve gone through the concern over what places Decarb fitting in the agenda in places like The US and parts of Europe to now seeing some projects that fall away and some projects like ours that are being signed to move forward. You’re seeing hydrogen continue to persist, continue to be a mechanism for lowering carbon, decarbonizing that people are now seeing economically, it could be possible. Right?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Today, projects are not moving forward just because they’re decarbonization. You see companies in steel saying no to, you know, billions of dollars in total of subsidy for forms of hydrogen and other decarbonization methods that in the end, even with that subsidy money, just don’t make sense. Right. While at the same time, signing to move forward with a project like ours and and several others. So I think what we’re seeing is hydrogen can economically decarbonize.
Parker Meeks (Guest): We need hydrogen as a versatile molecule that can be extracted with many methods that can be produced close to where it needs to be used, that can be produced at scale economically. And I think it just confirms that in a lower carbon world, hydrogen has to play a role, particularly in heavy industry.
Paul Rodden (Host): So we we have talked a little bit about economics. To dive in a a little bit more, we often talk about hydrogen project economics being tied to favorable policy and investment conditions. What are the biggest enablers and risks you’re seeing when it comes to bring industrial scale hydrogen projects like this to market?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Look. I think the risks that we see in bringing large scale industrial projects to market with hydrogen, it really comes down to finding the customer base with the plant level opportunities where hydrogen can thrive and show the economics that it needs to. And having you know, finding the customers that have the commitment and the time that we need to spend to analyze those projects thoughtfully and to bring them to market. Look. Customers are busy, and priorities in some customers have changed.
Parker Meeks (Guest): Tariffs didn’t help. Right. Tariffs when they first hit were a scary thing for industry still being one of them. Right? We’ve persisted through that.
Parker Meeks (Guest): We’ve, you know, kept customers on on track and on on the course. You know, certain industries and certain technologies are very exposed to the need for subsidy and or regulatory pressure to make them work. We’re fortunate that utilities, h two gen technology at scale, you know, can produce hydrogen that’s under $3 a kilogram without the support of subsidy. Great. Right?
Parker Meeks (Guest): Which at that at that level of cost, we’re able to compete outcompete with any form of blue or green in in many landed markets. We’re able to, in some cases, be within shouting distance of gray depending on the cost of natural gas in that in that market. I’m not claiming that we’re competitive with gray everywhere, to be clear, but we can get to a shouting match with gray in certain in certain markets. And and that create you know, when you can do that without financial incentive at scale, it provides a pathway. It provides customers a reason to want to engage.
Parker Meeks (Guest): And and once you have the customer interested in engaging and can show the value and can show that we have a method to understand your asset, understand your economics, understand where this can work well, not that we’re the hammer that works for every nail. That’s not what what we’re looking for. Then you get into a collaboration, and then you have a different type of relationship with, with other customers. So what I find is, you know, bringing products to market, when I learned from my last stop in hydrogen, you need to rely on subsidy as little as possible. You need to have investors that are committed throughout throughout the the journey to scale technology, And you need to have customers to see the value, to see the economic value that aren’t, you know, aren’t relying upon some green premium or some persistent support of governments, which will ever be there over multiple election cycles.
Parker Meeks (Guest): And we found that clear fit for utility in many geographies around the world and with customers and industries that wanna get this done if you can show them the economics are there.
Paul Rodden (Host): Right. So then what do you think this announcement means for investors and partners and other industrial players watching from the sidelines? Right? So is this a signal that clean hydrogen is finally crossing that magic threshold from concept to competitive reality?
Parker Meeks (Guest): I I I truly think what it means to us, what it means to our employees, our customers, and our investors is very similar to that. It it it shows that with the time spent to really lay this out with a leading customer, ArcelorMittal is incredibly innovative. They’re very forward thinking. You can see from what they do in the marketplace that they are very astute in analyzing, you know, where they’re testing technology, where they’re taking programs for, and what makes sense to them. And so what we hope it shows is that a very serious leading global customer is willing to spend the time and spend the resources, try technology at commercial scale.
Parker Meeks (Guest): They obviously came in as an investor of the company in our c round in September, which we’re very thankful for. And we’ve seen that kind of reaction from customers already since the announcement just a couple a couple weeks ago, whereas having a customer like Arsenal Rittal as a partner brings a level of interest because of what they represent and and what that means in terms of what we’ve shown in our technology to, them. So, you know, look, we look forward to hopefully having several more announcements that are projects with a similar level of weight behind them and just, you know, this being a a first step in a journey to to to prove it. Right? To prove it not just at the scale, but at scale sort of many, many times larger.
Paul Rodden (Host): This is great stuff. I mean, this is what everyone has been waiting for, these kind of announcements. So this is this is great to hear. Parker, thank you so much for joining us today and sharing such valuable insight, not only into this landmark collaboration with ArcelorMittal Brazil, but are also into the broader trends driving hydrogen adoption across heavy industry. For those of you listening, we’ll link the full press release in the show notes.
Paul Rodden (Host): And as always, stay tuned on the hydrogen podcast for more conversations at the intersection of energy, innovation, and economics. Until next time, I’m Paul Rotten. Thanks for listening.
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